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B17 Special – Imperial Cut DIY

07 Thursday Mar 2013

Posted by Brian Hanson in Cycling

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B17, brooks, butchered brooks, chamfered brooks, channelled brooks, cut brooks, cut leather, Imperial, slotted leather saddle, slotted saddle, Special


Starting the cut2 holes at the endsClose up of backFully traced cutWith the toolCut complete
The pieceLayersFront detailSide detailAfter proofideLacing holes
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Cut Brooks, a set on Flickr.

As I had two identical green B17 Specials lying dormant, and some curiosity about a Brooks Imperial, I decided to make my own. Tools – a carpet cutter, a drill, and a tracing done at my LBS (Thanks, Kathleen!). It took about an hour to get it done. Can’t wait to test it out…

Experiment with a Short Saddle

13 Sunday Jan 2013

Posted by Brian Hanson in Cycling

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a. homer hilsen, B17, brooks, brooks b17, brooks Finesse, finesse, kent peterson


I always thought that a shorter “women’s” saddle should work great for the fellas.  There is less nose to get in the way of your junk, right?  I saw my chance to try one when Kent Peterson posted for sale a ti Brooks Finesse.  I pounced thinking it would be a great way to try both a ti Brooks and a short nose saddle.

B17 on left, Finesse on right

It was a bit on the dry side, so I put a few coats of Proofide on it to soften it up a bit.  The first thing I noticed is how nice the brown leather looks.  It’s like having a nice piece of wood with unique grain.  The copper rivets and nameplate were a nice match for my copper Hilsen, as well.  The thing felt like it weighed about half of my normal B17 Special.  All systems go!

Copper plate

The first few commutes dialed it in, and I found that I was getting similar comfort to the B17 I was used to.  This saddle has more of a Team Pro shape, and I liked how it was easy to slip around on while riding.  No sticky points.  I really liked the shape – the sides are molded inward a bit more, and less apt to stick out and rub your thighs.  The one area I wasn’t sure about was the nose.  It seemed to pop up a bit more than I liked, and to get it to the angle I needed it at for my sit bones, I could feel the nose tip.  This turned out to be the rub for me.  I really didn’t like having that upward push happening further back than on the normal “men’s” saddles I ride.  It wasn’t painful, just there.  A good saddle is supposed to disappear beneath you…

First long ride

I ended up taking it on a longer ride (38 miles), and it was comfortable, but when I reached the finish, I decided it was time to end the experiment.  I knew that after 100 miles, this slight bump would become a royal pain in the taint!  No go.  Oh well, it is a really nice saddle.  I may hold on to it for a while and see if my wife or daughter find it to their liking.  Next up – I’m going to try the Rivet Pearl (again) on a longer ride.  I may have it just about dialed in this time, and the shape is superb!

Side view of the B17 – notice the longer flat nose

The Finesse is more of a bowl – less nose…

 

WTS 1 Redmond – Carnation

09 Wednesday Jan 2013

Posted by Brian Hanson in Cycling

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a. homer hilsen, acorn bags, brooks, brooks Finesse, randoneurring, SIR, winter training, WTS


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WTS 1 Redmond – Carnation, a set on Flickr.

Seattle Randonneurs (SIR) puts on a Winter Training Series in January that gets us ready for the spring series of riding. It’s interesting in that it is usually pretty dismal weather, but I have to remember that 30’s and 40’s aren’t bad when compared to my old stomping grounds (Minnesota).

To that end I rode in the first ride of the series this year, and will try to get in as many as I can. This ride started in Redmond and went out to Carnation and back in a nice hilly loop that had about 2300 feet in elevation gain. The second hill was a killer, but there were some really great descents. Nearly no traffic on this route, and fairly good roads. I rained on us most of the route, but I didn’t hit any slippery spots.

WTS1Map

As the bike goes, I was riding the Hilsen in rando garb. The Acorn Tall Boxy Rando bag was awesome and useful. I had extra clothes in it and a clif bar, but not much else. I also brought 2 bottles of h2o and only used one in the 38 miles we rode. I had the Brooks Finesse Ti saddle I recently purchased from Kent Peterson on the bike. While it was comfortable, I think I am going to go back to a full size saddle as it felt odd to me – not as much room to move around? Perhaps it was just less gripping area from what I am used to. I still want to give the Rivet a chance on a longer ride – perhaps I’ll put that one back on…

Leather Saddles

02 Thursday Aug 2012

Posted by Brian Hanson in Cycling

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B17, brooks, Deb Banks, leather, obenaufs, Pearl, proofide, randonneur, Rivet, saddle, Selle Anatomica, Titanico


Brooks B17 – Rivet Pearl – Selle Anatomica Titanico (left to right)

I’m a convert to the comfort of a good leather saddle for longer distance bike rides.  The look and durability of a nice leather saddle is a plus, as well.  I’ve been riding the Brooks B17 saddles since 2008, and have ridden up to 200km on one.  At that distance, I was not too sore post-ride, but I definitely had a bit of numbness for a few days.  The only other issue with the B17 is that you have some minor maintenance  to attend to if you want the saddle to last.  It is not waterproof, so a cover, and regular application of a leather treatment (Brooks Proofide, or Obenauf’s) is recommended to keep a saddle in good shape.

I was rebuilding a bike for a friend, and he wanted to try a leather saddle, so I bought a couple of Selle Anatomica (SA) Titanicos.  I figured he would be less inclined to baby the saddle, and they advertise  a “water resistant” leather.  The current thoughts on the SA saddles is that they don’t hold up well to clydesdales (folks on the positive side of 200 lbs).  I’ve even read that they tend to stretch out quite a bit for folks in the 180 lb range, and often end up with maxed out tensioning screws within a year.

In looking for a good color match for the kidney and gray scheme on my Hunqapillar, I also wanted to add a Rivet Pearl saddle to the mix.  This is a new saddle maker that uses US leather and design, and builds the saddles in Taiwan.  The owner/founder is a well known randonneuse named Debra Banks who had worked for Selle Anatomica.  This saddle has a cutout like the SA, but is built with thicker leather to firm it up.  As a distance rider runs this company, I am hopeful it is designed to provide long distance comfort, and initial reports are that it does.

My observations are as follows:

(l-r) Selle Anatomica – Rivet – Brooks

  1. In measuring the setback, I did some rough measurement of the front-most point on the rails to the front of the saddle.  The SA had the most adjustability and measured only 10cm from the front of the saddle to the front-most point of mounting on the rail.  The Rivet had the second most amount of setback with a measurement of 12cm from the front of the saddle.  The venerable B17 was at 14cm.  You can see this clearly in the photo above.
  2. The Selle Anatomica is immediately comfortable and tends to disappear from thought.  It is more finicky to line up for proper comfort – the angle has to be right.  It is very much like a stretchy hammock, and has a lot of movement or “give” while riding.  I’ve already tensioned the saddle after about 200 miles of commute use, and have the tension screw halfway out.  The bag loops in the back are close to being unusable as they line up with, and have interference from the saddle rails.  Getting a bag on it is doable, but could be a lot simpler with a small adjustment in where they line up.  The finish of the saddle is a bit rough at the edges.  I also notice the front of the saddle twisting slightly when I lift the bike by the seat.  It is not a problem, but it seems a bit odd if you are used to seats being one-piece immobile affairs.  The rails have the longest adjustability of the three saddles, and I can move the saddle back farther on the post than the other two saddles.
  3. The Rivet saddle is very firm.  It is not a hammock like the SA – much more like a firm Brooks saddle.  The finish is beautiful – better than the SA saddle.  It is more in the realm of Brooks quality, although I still think the Brooks is tops in this category.  More “classic” anyway.

I have not ridden the Rivet more than a few miles so I can’t comment on break-in feel.  I will have to report back on that after a few hundred kms.  I have installed the Rivet on my Hunqapillar which will become my daily commuter, as well as camp/tour bike.  The SA is now on my Hilsen which will do primary duty on brevets for the immediate future.  It is still the most comfortable of the three, and I have no problem with it on my 18-mile round trip commute in plain old pants or short (no padding).  I’ve got a pair of B17s sitting on the shelf in semi-retirement.  If the SA gives out, or the Rivet doesn’t break-in, they will go back on the bikes.  They are my benchmarks.  I may have one of them “slotted” by SA if I feel compelled.

Brooks B17 Side Shot

Rivet Pearl Side Shot

Selle Anatomica Titanico Side Shot

 

 

Hunqa Builder

08 Tuesday May 2012

Posted by Brian Hanson in Cycling

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atlantis, bike build, Bombadil, brooks, dureme, frame/fork, Haulin Colin, Hunqapillar, mammoth, marathon, Moustache, packaging, Rawland, rivendell, rSogn, wooly


It was time for a new bike for 2012.  This one is for the mountains!  It’s a wooly mammoth bike!  I rode one last summer at Rivendell World HQ and was smitten.  I just love Rivendell bikes.  Their design and execution is unlike any other, and Grant runs a great business. I decided to snarf up a Rivendell Hunqapillar.  It’s a 54cm frame, and will be set up as a mountain/camping/commuting bike with a front rack, fenders, and lights (like any proper bike for the NW).  This was in the original color scheme that is being discontinued.

The Rivendell folks are well known for their expertise in packing a bike – they even add doodle art to the packages – great personalized funk!

top face

stuck and safe

wrapped up tight

Here it is all uncloaked.  I love the color scheme on this model.  There is something about the kidney bean and gray combination that really classes out.  I felt lucky getting one of the last of the original runs.

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front quarter

love

tusks

 

The build out will be a moustache cockpit, brooks saddle, and marathon dureme tires (700×50).  This will be a working bike, and I want to take it anywhere.  I also want to be comfortable on the bumps.

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I’m adding a custom rack made by a local builder “Haulin’ Colin” Stevens.  This was originally designed and made for the Rawland rSogn, but I saw it on his site modeled on a Hunqapillar that a friend had lent him, and the image stuck.  The rack fits the bike perfectly.

haulin’

mounts were perfect

I have a few more parts to get or scavenge before this one is ready, but I’m anticipating a great new ride.  The frame and fork with headset weighed in the neighborhood of 7 lbs on my Wii scale (accurate??).  This is a stout tube bike, but it felt surprisingly light.  I recalled it being much lighter than I expected on the test ride, as well.  This model is a more robust touring bike than the well-loved Atlantis, and has similar gauge tubing to the Bombadil.  I can’t wait to do some exploring this summer!

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