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Shoes for Cycles

08 Wednesday Jan 2014

Posted by Stonehog in Cycling

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approach shoes, bike fit, clipless shoes, cruzer, cycling shoes, evolv, five ten, just ride, shoes, skate shoes, sneaker pedals, spitfire


Sneakers

Sneakers

Shoes.  I’m one of those folks that have a bunch of these things – I’ve been a bit obsessed about them at times.  I have 3 pairs of clipless shoes, and at this point 5 pairs of sneakers that qualify as bike-first, walking shoes.  I’ve had a professional bike fit for my road bike with my SPD pedals.  There are some that say clipless is pointless for all but the most dedicated racers, but I think that there is a time and place for many different shoes on bikes.  One of my favorite pedals has been the Shimano A530.  This pedal has SPD on one side, and flats on the other.  I’ve done 300k on these pedals, and have commuted for several years in both SPD and flat shoes.

PD-A530 Pedal

PD-A530 Pedal

I’m starting to form some opinions on what shoe, what situation at this point, however, this year I’d like to do at least one ride of 200k plus in sneakers.   I was told by my fitter that it’s easier on the legs and knees to be clipped in.  The reasoning was explained to me as it makes less work for you as your feet won’t be moving around on the pedal and getting mis-aligned.  This seems counter-intuitive to me.  I feel like there has to be some give during the pedal rotation in the “play” of your shoe or your knee tendons will be slightly stretched.  I think this manifested last year on my longest ride when my right knee went out with 50 miles to go.  I don’t know how many folks have knees that are aligned in perfect planes to the pedal rotation – mine definitely aren’t.

Since I’ve been clipping in and out of pedals for 20 years now, I’m pretty comfortable with the technical points.  When you start going clipless, do it in the dirt on the hills.  It’s like learning to drive a manual transmission first.  You get the hardest part out of the way, and master it early.  You often have to get clipped in when you’re going up a 20% grade in dirt or mud with rocks and roots in the way, and you quickly learn the key ways to start pedaling and transfer your weight quickly so you can get that second pedal going before you stall.  You also learn how to anticipate and unclip (or panic unclip) when you come to a sudden unintentional stop on that rock/root in the trail.  If you don’t, it’s a softer landing in the dirt (usually).

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Clipless for all seasons

Clipping in and out isn’t a problem.  It’s really just the longer rides and the stresses it introduces that make me wonder if it’s not a great idea.  I also don’t find myself using the real benefits of clipless (picking up the bike, or keeping your feet glued to the pedals when airborne) while I’m riding a road bike.  I admit it is nice sometimes when I have to make a quick curb hop, but that’s pretty rare…

VP Vice

VP Vice

VP 001 Pedal

VP 001 “Thin Gripster” Pedal

Using modern flat sneaker pedals like VP Components Vice or VP001 meant for BMX and freeride mountain biking, along with a sticky-soled shoe like a Five Ten Spitfire (current fave) or Evolv Cruzers has been really interesting to me.  It provides such a sticky grip, I find myself having to lift my foot to move it on the pedal.  This gives me nearly the feel of clipless, but at stops I don’t have to twist out or clip in, and I can walk around in normal sneakers.  This is really great for the following situations:

  1. Commuting – I have a lot of lights and stop signs on the way to work.  It’s nice to put both feet down…
  2. Errands/shopping – wearing cleats in restaurants and shopping sucks.
  3. Visiting friends/relatives – no need to clomp around  or take off the shoes.
  4. Just riding.  I don’t have to do the “uniform up” before the ride – I just jump on the bike and go.  Liberating!

There are still times I prefer clipless:

  1. Mountain biking – gotta get maximum lift to clear those bitchin’ logs – although I may just need to learn the trials tricks and pick the bike up with my arms and bounce.
  2. Long road rides – this is perhaps debatable, but it is good to have an ultra stiff shoe so the feet don’t get sore
  3. Racing?  I don’t do this, so YMMV.

On the long rides, I need to work out the trade off between foot pain and knee pain.  If I can get the balance just right on the knees, I may be able to keep going clipless, as the roads are generally smooth, and there are minimal stops and long distances involved.  We’ll see…

1/16/14 Update:  I angled the cleat on my Sidi Spyders to get my right foot out a few degrees.  This seems to have helped.  I didn’t get any knee soreness this week (yet).  I plan to start doing some longer 30+ milers going forward, so we shall see…

Notes on Fit

20 Saturday Oct 2012

Posted by Stonehog in Cycling

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bike fit, brooks b17, clipless shoes, cycling fit, health, iliopsoas, KOPS, saddle height, sore groin, transportation


I had been having a sore groin/hip for about a month, and while it was not too noticeable when I was riding, it wasn’t getting better.   According to my doctor at a recent physical, it turns out it was a sore iliopsoas (inner hip muscle).  It was starting to impede on my cycling activities, so I jumped at the chance for a referral to a PT who specializes in bike fit. I’ve been tweaking my fit for years, but never have I seen a “professional” before. According to the internet fit gurus I’ve consulted, I should have a 75-76cm saddle height based on my pubic bone height (87.5cm). Since I ride a Brooks B17, it is evidently hard to get this saddle back “far enough” for comfort. I’ve always measured it at the saddle nose to the center of the bottom bracket with a thread tied to a bolt (poor man’s plumb bob). As such, I had varied this between 65-85mm.

At the fit, he did two things that I haven’t thought much about. First, he moved my shoes out and straightened my right foot. I had always walked with my right toe pointing out slightly, and I set up my clipless shoes to angle out on the right a few degrees to make it similar to my gait. Second, he brought my seat down 5mm to 74.5cm, and forward 15mm putting it 55mm behind the bottom bracket. That was it. He had me on a pedestal with my bike mounted in a roller and watched my form after measuring the knee angles and knee over pedal spindle (classic KOPS).  He also wanted to change my seat angle, but after I protested that it was pushing me forward into the bars, and he hopped on to check it, he agreed and we left it at a 7 degree angle up.

I didn’t think it would make a difference, but after commuting 66 miles this week, I seem to be over the sore psoas. My knee doesn’t hurt either. I thought having my foot straight would be a knee killer, but perhaps it was the other way round. I’ve set up my other active bikes to the same measurements, and everything feels pretty good.  Now I need to get a 100-miler under the belt to see if this will stick.  For now, I’m leaving it alone…

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